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April 13th GreenMonk Energy and Sustainability show

Here is a recording of today’s GreenMonk Energy and Sustainability show complete with the chatstream below:

04:31 TomRaftery : About to kick off
04:32 TomRaftery : Can you see & hear me ok?
04:33 TomRaftery : Hello?
04:33 ustreamer-36203 : Hi Tom
04:33 ustreamer-36203 : Andrew Newton of APEsphere here
04:34 ustreamer-36203 : yep, all good
04:35 ustreamer-39040 : I can see and hear ya. Just have to log in – This is Suki
04:37 TomRaftery : http://www.theenergycollective.com/TheEnergyCollective/37826
04:37 ustreamer-13870 : Den here..
04:37 ustreamer-13870 : Ola todos
04:39 TomRaftery : http://www.zigbee.org/en/newsletters/2009_04_Newsletter/0409-External.asp#success1
04:40 TomRaftery : http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microsoft_aims_for_dramatic_drop_in_its_data-center_energy_usage_42817632.html
04:43 ustreamer-13870 : Wonder if SAP will try doing the same thing as MSFT?
04:44 TomRaftery : http://blogs.zdnet.com/sustainability/?p=307
04:44 Suki_Fuller : I’ve gotten sucked into the Zigbee newsletter – liking this thing
04:46 ustreamer-13870 : RyanAir are the world’s worst airline IMO
04:47 Suki_Fuller : Nah – Delta
04:47 ustreamer-13870 : It’s a flying shopping mall
04:47 TomRaftery : http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/27174.wss
04:48 ustreamer-13870 : I will do almost anything to avoid flying RyanAir (anyhooo – good for them in dropping prices)
04:50 TomRaftery : http://www.communities.hp.com/online/blogs/csremea/archive/2009/04/09/new-global-citizenship-report-now-available.aspx
04:51 TomRaftery : http://redmonk.dekiondemand.com/CSR_Reporting
04:55 Suki_Fuller : They seem to be going backwards in all regards apparently
04:55 ustreamer-36203 : Another Amazon CSR blinder from today: http://www.apesphere.com/story/989/2009/04/13/Is_there_an_anti-gay_glitch_in_the_Amazon_rankings
04:55 TomRaftery : http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/03/11/powernap-targets-server-idle-time/
04:55 Suki_Fuller : That better be tap water
04:57 TomRaftery : http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/98163
04:57 TomRaftery : http://blogs.infor.com/insights/2009/04/us-government-focuses-on-energy-efficiency-of-facilities.html
04:59 TomRaftery : http://greenlight.greentechmedia.com/2009/04/07/energyhub-lands-series-a-for-home-energy-dashboard-1344/
05:05 TomRaftery : http://www.energyhub.net/
05:07 TomRaftery : Anyone anything else to talk about?
05:07 Suki_Fuller : Us UK people over here had to get up.
05:07 Suki_Fuller : In US
05:07 Suki_Fuller : UK people in US
05:08 Suki_Fuller : Thank you Tom as always learned much
05:08 TomRaftery : Over and out – thanks everyone for a great show
05:09 TomRaftery : Thank you Suki

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GreenMonk Energy and Sustainability show 6-April-09

Free Webcam Chat at Ustream

Apologies for the delay in posting this but I copied the chat stream incorrectly and lost it. I contacted @mikethebee, a faithful follower who has saved the chatsteams in the past and fortunately he had a copy!

So here, thanks to Mike, is the chat stream from the show:
03:30 mikeTheBee : afternoon all. lovely day
03:31 TomRaftery : Hi everyone – kicking off in a couple of secs
03:31 ustreamer-64306 : Indeed! Morning here
03:31 mikeTheBee : 64306 wheres here?
03:32 ustreamer-64306 : Arizona. Yourself?
03:32 mikeTheBee : London for me
03:32 ustreamer-64306 : all okay
03:32 TomRaftery : Audio & video ok?
03:33 mikeTheBee : Hello ok
03:33 ustreamer-64306 : shy perhaps?
03:33 ustreamer-64639 : nice hat
03:33 mikeTheBee : 6 viewers
03:35 mikeTheBee : http://theenergycollective.com
03:35 TomRaftery : http://maps.grida.no/go/graphic/world-greenhouse-gas-emissions-by-sector
03:36 TomRaftery : http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/stern-kingsnorth-should-be-shelved-1658035.html
03:37 mikeTheBee : 8 viewers
03:38 TomRaftery : http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/apr/01/bp-solar
03:40 TomRaftery : http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/009674.html
03:42 cgarvey : arrived late, sorry.. watch a good docu on Discovery about a similar CSP facility (in Barcelona? maybe it’s Seville)
03:42 mikeTheBee : 9 viewers
03:43 cgarvey : oh cool! that would be very cool!
03:44 TomRaftery : http://www.triplepundit.com/pages/us-solar-market-had-record-growth-in-200.php
03:45 mikeTheBee : CSP Could work in Arizona but not well in Kent
03:46 TomRaftery : http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10207323-54.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=GreenTech
03:46 mikeTheBee : But we could have concentrated solar voltiac.
03:47 ustreamer-41305 : Morning!
03:47 TomRaftery : http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/business/global/02electric.html?_r=3
03:48 mikeTheBee : You said we need to wait for the Dord, but they may not survive without sales. its a quantry
03:48 mikeTheBee : Ford not Dord!
03:50 TishShute : are there any 4 wheel drive electric cars available – only time I use a car is to go to the Catskills (live in NYC)
03:50 mikeTheBee : But we don’t buy every year, I will ask Ford to offer a swap-over when available and see if they will agree, to get a sale this year.
03:50 divydovy : Tom – don’t know if you saw this: double ROCs for <50kW renewable generation in UK from 1st April: http://www.provenenergy.co.uk/DoubleROCs.php
03:50 cgarvey : 4WD in NYC?
03:51 TishShute : that is what i need i pay a fortune to park my subaru in NYC!
03:52 TishShute : but hiring current 4 wheel drive is prohibitive
03:52 divydovy : thanks πŸ™‚
03:52 TishShute : yes not 4 NYC!
03:53 TishShute : to get up the mountain – no buses go up !
03:53 TomRaftery : http://blogs.msdn.com/see/archive/2009/03/31/software-downloads-help-microsoft-and-customers-reduce-carbon-footprint.aspx
03:56 TomRaftery : http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/05/ice-shelf-wilkins-antarctic
03:56 mikeTheBee : lol
03:57 cgarvey : 1/2 the size of Scotland, but that doesn’t take from the point/significance
03:58 TomRaftery : http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/06/us/06wanted.html?_r=3&th
03:59 divydovy : Is Osama on there too?
03:59 mikeTheBee : 11 viewers
04:00 mikeTheBee : Don’t drop that Chewing Gum!
04:01 TomRaftery : http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/27116.wss
04:01 TomRaftery : http://www.smartmeters.com/the-news/499-national-grid-plans-smart-grid-test-in-massachusetts.html
04:02 cgarvey : (bio-deg. chewing gum link http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/04/03/chewing.gum.bio/index.html )
04:03 TishShute : thanks for all these superb links!
04:03 divydovy : thanks Tom, great show
04:03 cgarvey : I’m good, ta .. loads of reading on the solar CSP stuff for me!
04:03 mikeTheBee : Not me. Thx Tom
04:03 divydovy : @cgarvey check out: www.trec-uk.org.uk
04:04 cgarvey : cheers dave
04:04 cgarvey : thanks again Tom .. love the format!
03:30 mikeTheBee : afternoon all. lovely day
03:31 TomRaftery : Hi everyone – kicking off in a couple of secs
03:31 ustreamer-64306 : Indeed! Morning here
03:31 mikeTheBee : 64306 wheres here?
03:32 ustreamer-64306 : Arizona. Yourself?
03:32 mikeTheBee : London for me
03:32 ustreamer-64306 : all okay
03:32 TomRaftery : Audio & video ok?
03:33 mikeTheBee : Hello ok
03:33 ustreamer-64306 : shy perhaps?
03:33 ustreamer-64639 : nice hat
03:33 mikeTheBee : 6 viewers
03:35 mikeTheBee : http://theenergycollective.com
03:35 TomRaftery : http://maps.grida.no/go/graphic/world-greenhouse-gas-emissions-by-sector
03:36 TomRaftery : http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/stern-kingsnorth-should-be-shelved-1658035.html
03:37 mikeTheBee : 8 viewers
03:38 TomRaftery : http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/apr/01/bp-solar
03:40 TomRaftery : http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/009674.html
03:42 cgarvey : arrived late, sorry.. watch a good docu on Discovery about a similar CSP facility (in Barcelona? maybe it’s Seville)
03:42 mikeTheBee : 9 viewers
03:43 cgarvey : oh cool! that would be very cool!
03:44 TomRaftery : http://www.triplepundit.com/pages/us-solar-market-had-record-growth-in-200.php
03:45 mikeTheBee : CSP Could work in Arizona but not well in Kent
03:46 TomRaftery : http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10207323-54.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=GreenTech
03:46 mikeTheBee : But we could have concentrated solar voltiac.
03:47 ustreamer-41305 : Morning!
03:47 TomRaftery : http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/business/global/02electric.html?_r=3
03:48 mikeTheBee : You said we need to wait for the Dord, but they may not survive without sales. its a quantry
03:48 mikeTheBee : Ford not Dord!
03:50 TishShute : are there any 4 wheel drive electric cars available – only time I use a car is to go to the Catskills (live in NYC)
03:50 mikeTheBee : But we don’t buy every year, I will ask Ford to offer a swap-over when available and see if they will agree, to get a sale this year.
03:50 divydovy : Tom – don’t know if you saw this: double ROCs for <50kW renewable generation in UK from 1st April: http://www.provenenergy.co.uk/DoubleROCs.php
03:50 cgarvey : 4WD in NYC?
03:51 TishShute : that is what i need i pay a fortune to park my subaru in NYC!
03:52 TishShute : but hiring current 4 wheel drive is prohibitive
03:52 divydovy : thanks πŸ™‚
03:52 TishShute : yes not 4 NYC!
03:53 TishShute : to get up the mountain – no buses go up !
03:53 TomRaftery : http://blogs.msdn.com/see/archive/2009/03/31/software-downloads-help-microsoft-and-customers-reduce-carbon-footprint.aspx
03:56 TomRaftery : http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/05/ice-shelf-wilkins-antarctic
03:56 mikeTheBee : lol
03:57 cgarvey : 1/2 the size of Scotland, but that doesn’t take from the point/significance
03:58 TomRaftery : http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/06/us/06wanted.html?_r=3&th
03:59 mikeTheBee : 1 viewers
03:59 mikeTheBee : 1
03:59 divydovy : Is Osama on there too?
03:59 mikeTheBee : 11
04:00 mikeTheBee : Don’t drop that Chewing Gum!
04:01 TomRaftery : http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/27116.wss
04:01 TomRaftery : http://www.smartmeters.com/the-news/499-national-grid-plans-smart-grid-test-in-massachusetts.html
04:02 cgarvey : (bio-deg. chewing gum link http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/04/03/chewing.gum.bio/index.html )
04:03 TishShute : thanks for all these superb links!
04:03 divydovy : thanks Tom, great show
04:03 cgarvey : I’m good, ta .. loads of reading on the solar CSP stuff for me!
04:03 mikeTheBee : Not me. Thx Tom
04:03 divydovy : @cgarvey check out: www.trec-uk.org.uk
04:04 cgarvey : cheers dave
04:04 cgarvey : thanks again Tom .. love the format!

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GreenMonk news roundup 04/07/2009

Posted from Diigo. The rest of my favorite links are here.

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HP Claims Greenpeace Critique Unfair

The other day after reading this I noted that according to the latest Greenpeace Guide Into Greener Electronics two my clients, HP and Dell were “backsliding” on environmental commitments.

Of course there are always many sides to any story, and I wondered whether Greenpeace might be reading statements of direction by these vendors as formal commitments, and then unfairly penalising them for the initial positive statement: in this case the aim of eliminating toxic vinyl plastic (PVC) and brominated flame retardants (BFRs) by the end of 2009.

HP does appear to have made a strong commitment in 2005. To be fair to Greenpeace, both Dell and HP are strongly marketing their environmentally friendly bona fides, and as such deserve a higher level of scrutiny.

But to fair to the vendors it can hard be hard to replace toxic materials at reasonable cost – and in that spirit I thought it only fair to include a statement I received from HP to help you make up your own minds.

Greenpeace say we are backsliding on commitment. The statement is untrue.

HP had a goal. Subtle but important difference. This was a deliberate language on our part as we knew when making the goal that the effort would requires significant R&D effort, and when we made the goal there was no clear solution to the problem. HP is conservative enough not to make commitments when we have no clear idea how we are going to achieve them. (You can criticise our conservatism in this regard and that would be fair – but you cannot criticise us for backsliding on a commitment we didn’t make)

The goal in full reads:

Eliminate the remaining uses of BFRs and PVC from new computing products launched in 2009 as technologically feasible alternatives become readily available that will not compromise product performance or quality and will not adversely impact health or the environment. ”

Our progress against the goal is:

HP will introduce several new computing products this year that use less BFR/PVC than previous generations.

As the availability of BFR and PVC components continues to increase, we will incrementally reduce the use of these substances in our products as quickly as possible until they are eliminated entirely, but due to the lack of acceptable alternatives in necessary volumes, HP will not be able to deliver all new computing products launched in 2009 that are 100 percent BFR/PVC free.

As a background: our overall commitment is:

To take a proactive approach to evaluating materials and eliminating those that pose an environmental, health or safety risk. We may replace or eliminate substances because of customer or legal requirements or because we believe it is appropriate based on a precautionary approach. We strive to replace even legally permitted materials when scientific data has established a potential health or environmental risk and when less risky, commercially viable alternatives are available.

Other achievements in this sphere include:

Eliminated more than 95 percent of the BFRs used in the external case plastics of products more than 10 years ago, including two, PBDE and PBB, which were subsequently among the substances restricted by the EU RoHS Directive. During the same timeframe, HP also eliminated polyvinyl chloride from the external case plastics of its products.

In 2006 we met our goal to remove remaining brominated flame retardants from external case plastic parts in all new HP product models introduced after December 31, 2006 as well as removing PVC from new packaging designs for HP product models in 2006.

In short, we actually think we are a leader in this space, but because we won’t make a commitment to phase something out, where we see no safe, economic alternative right now Greenpeace criticise us for that. Fair enough that is their chosen role.

It might be interesting to more closely scrutinise Apple’s performance in looking at the same toxic chemicals. While Greenpeace normally slams Apple environmental performance, this year it applauded the firm as it “leaps” four places in the rankings.

According to Greenpeace: “All Apple products are now free of PVC and BFRs with the exception of PVC-free power cords which are in the process of being certified.”

However, and this is an awfully big however: “Apple fails to score top marks on this criterion because it uses unreasonably high threshold limits for BFRs and PVC in products that are allegedly PVC-/BFR-free.”

It seems to me that Greenpeace could perhaps open up the scoring and ranking system to other organisations as peer review bodies. At the moment the Green Guide scoring system is possibly a little opaque, which does us all a disservice. It is still an extremely useful initiative though, and one that exerts pressure on companies to improve. Given governments are performing so abjectly on sustainability the new alignment of stakeholder values driven by organisations like Greenpeace is more important than ever.

Finally remember that it is us that buys these products. If you “just have to have” the very latest phone or laptop , then you’re as much part of the problem as any technology company. The quickest route to a sustainable planet is buy less stuff.

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LowerCarbonEconomy.com’s David Lockie

LowCarbonEconomy.com is a site dedicated to gathering and sharing information about low carbon products, services and lifestyles – everything from appliances, to government policy through to utility-related information. Considering our urgent need to lower our carbon emissions as a race, the information on this site is could be hugely important.

The site is wiki-like and makes heavy use of tagging search and RSS to make the information easier to find.

I had a chance to speak to Dave Lockie from LowCarbonEconomy recently and I asked him more about the site.

Btw, for the first time I added a bit of music to the start and end of the video – would love to know if you think it improves the show.

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GreenMonk news roundup 04/04/2009

Posted from Diigo. The rest of my favorite links are here.

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GreenMonk news roundup 04/03/2009

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GreenMonk news roundup 04/01/2009

Posted from Diigo. The rest of my favorite links are here.

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GreenMonk Energy & Sustainability show – 30th March 09

This is an archive copy of this week’s GreenMonk Energy & Sustainability show and the chat stream is below:

05:31 TomRaftery : Anyone seeing video? Hearing audio?
05:31 paulsavage : I see it
05:31 ustreamer-9468 : not yet tom
05:31 paulsavage : and I hear
05:31 paulsavage : Doing good
05:31 mikeTheBee : Hi tom
05:31 ustreamer-1659 : You’re on for me Tom – john P, Cork
05:31 mikeTheBee : Yep
05:31 ustreamer-9468 : ok starting
05:31 ustreamer-9468 : got ya now
05:31 TomRaftery : ustreamer 9468 not seeing me anyone else having problems?
05:31 ustreamer-9468 : dublin is good!
05:32 TomRaftery : Good, good,
05:32 mikeTheBee : May need to reload
05:33 paulsavage : 8:30 in LA
05:34 TomRaftery : http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2009/03/24/woodchips-with-everything
05:34 mikeTheBee : Like Charcoal
05:38 mikeTheBee : 14 viewers
05:38 ustreamer-9468 : down to african levels …
05:39 mikeTheBee : 15 viewers
05:39 TomRaftery : http://www.whitehouse.gov/openforquestions/
05:40 TomRaftery : http://greenmonk.net/what-will-it-take-for-america-to-wake-up-to-the-threat-of-climate-change/
05:42 paulsavage : Did you submit any questions ?
05:44 ustreamer-9468 : scary bigtime
05:45 mikeTheBee : There are plenty of deniers in the media
05:46 TomRaftery : http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/03/23/the-ecodrain-cuts-water-heater-use-by-40/
05:48 mikeTheBee : neat if 40% is the figure
05:48 paulsavage : Really smart idea. I guess it’s for electric showers ?
05:48 mikeTheBee : Just have a cold shower
05:48 TomRaftery : http://blogs.msdn.com/see/archive/2009/03/25/wwf-studies-find-information-technology-significantly-reduces-climate-impacts-costs-of-doing-business.aspx
05:49 monkchips : wash less, you’ll even smell green πŸ˜‰
05:49 monkchips : top of the afternoon to ya
05:49 mikeTheBee : 6 Viewers
05:49 mikeTheBee : Correction 16
05:50 TomRaftery : http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10203013-54.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1
05:51 mikeTheBee : km
05:51 mikeTheBee : not mph
05:51 paulsavage : 265 km / h ??
05:51 monkchips : yup
05:51 mikeTheBee : wow
05:51 monkchips : love train travel!
05:51 ustreamer-57460 : Me from BCN. Help me a lot. Save money & time!
05:52 monkchips : tom but what about links? its no good if you want to then fly from madrid
05:53 monkchips : train – there are those that would claim otherwise
05:53 divydovy : and key = CO2 emitted at ground level not up in atmosphere
05:53 ustreamer-57460 : waiting for the new basque “Y” trains
05:54 monkchips : the dutch airline VLM claims their fokkers are greener than train engines http://www.flyvlm.com/emc.asp?pageId=1153
05:54 monkchips : the dirty fokkers
05:54 ustreamer-3567 : In Ottawa-Montreal corridor, even without a high speed train, the math still works. And I was able to work with more space too. In Pacific NW of US, we don’t even have that
05:55 ustreamer-1659 : But surely there will be opportunities for may more people on trains than plane capacity …
05:55 divydovy : must be fokking cramped in there
05:55 ustreamer-1659 : Agree Tom…
05:55 mikeTheBee : 8 Viewers
05:55 mikeTheBee : 8 viewers
05:56 mikeTheBee : 8
05:56 paulsavage : if you travel without any extra weigh (baggage) , or filled up with people who are less than 50kgs πŸ˜‰
05:56 mikeTheBee : ighteen
05:56 TomRaftery : http://www.physorg.com/news157200916.html
05:56 monkchips : oh yeah- wrong link. here is the trains vs planes argument http://www.flyvlm.com/myDocuments/04/004%2F080915_co2factsheet_uken.pdf
05:56 mikeTheBee : Nineteen
05:57 paulsavage : my screen shows 22 views
05:57 paulsavage : viewers*
05:57 ustreamer-25233 : fish – what about hormones in meet
05:57 monkchips : straight
05:57 monkchips : hormones in meat- indeed. my son eats meat and that one drives me nuts
05:58 paulsavage : ryanair would love to do that. πŸ˜‰
05:58 ustreamer-1659 : Ryanair’s next strategy πŸ˜‰
05:58 mikeTheBee : Ryanair does!
05:58 ustreamer-1659 : LOL x 3!
05:58 mikeTheBee : But not your Body, yet
05:59 ustreamer-25233 : flying – most CO2 is created in taxing on run way and circiling over heathrown waiting to land – why cannot they fix that – eg use tow on airstrip to and from gate, and not hang about over London for 30 mins waiting to land
05:59 TomRaftery : http://www.regeneration.org/2009/03/24/led-there-be-light/
05:59 cgarvey : If it’s cost-based and done fairly, (as an overweight person!), I’d welcome the move
05:59 monkchips : @ustreamer-25233 its one reason i LOVE city airport in london… in and out, no taxi ing or circling
06:00 mikeTheBee : cfl destroy IR remote signals too
06:00 monkchips : tom we don’t need new technology so much as turn the things off when you’re not using them
06:00 monkchips : earth hour we didn’t even make a difference to the grid, but it was a powerful statement
06:01 monkchips : to see the sydney harbour bridge and houses of parliament tower with lights off
06:01 ustreamer-14148 : Have any stats been published on the effect of Earth Hour?
06:01 cgarvey : dimmable, hue/colour/warmth of light, startup time, etc.. all confusing factors of CFL
06:01 ustreamer-25233 : LEDs $120 per bulb according to national geographical march issue. they are potential for future for sure.
06:01 paulsavage : from wiki
06:01 paulsavage : A standard North American 100 watt incandescent light bulb emits 1500Γ’β‚¬β€œ1700 lumens,while a standard European 230 V model emits 1200Γ’β‚¬β€œ1400 lm.
06:01 divydovy : EU project to reduce aircraft emissions (partly through ATC measures): http://ec.europa.eu/transport/air/environment/aire_en.htm
06:02 mikeTheBee : I Agree Totally
06:03 TomRaftery : http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2238989/national-grid-launches-carbon
06:03 monkchips : really? WOW
06:03 monkchips : when did that happen?>
06:03 monkchips : missed that link.
06:04 joegarde : new interconnector between Ireland and UK http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0329/energy.html
06:04 TomRaftery : http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090318090348.htm
06:04 mikeTheBee : www.eastwestinterconnector.ie
06:04 cgarvey : no noticable dip in EirGrid (Irish electrical grid) generation for Earth Hour (week on week, for best comparison).. http://www.eirgrid.ie/EirgridPortal/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=System+Demand&TreeLinkModID=2314&TreeLinkItemID=57
06:05 cgarvey : Working link .. http://url.ie/1dzf
06:05 paulsavage : Trickle power is the term AFAIK
06:05 divydovy : Tom: interesting new lighting technology: http://www.ceravision.com/
06:05 ustreamer-14148 : Would be nice if they were installed by default in new-build houses.
06:06 ustreamer-3567 : Need to get the electronic manufacturers to take away the need for standby (clocks that don’t retain state when off etc)
06:06 divydovy : Many people are just putting in energy efficient lighting for building regs then replacing it as soon as it’s signed off.
06:06 paulsavage : longer lifetime means less chemicals, or is that just fluff ?
06:07 ustreamer-25233 : ditto with cars – waiting at lights, level crossings etc – cut engine and restart on press of accelerator rather than turning on and off – wish more models would do it
06:08 joegarde : 2012 complete
06:08 cgarvey : Would it not make more sense to expand the existing NI/Scotland one, rather than build the new one to Wales ?
06:10 cgarvey : so NI/Scotland too small to upgrade (financially) (MWs rather than GWs?)
06:10 joegarde : interesting
06:10 mikeTheBee : I believ it needs Eurpean funding approval.
06:10 cgarvey : got it, ta
06:11 ustreamer-25233 : a good tip
06:11 mikeTheBee : No that intelligent obviously
06:12 monkchips : yup
06:12 monkchips : the UK adveristing standars authority
06:12 monkchips : last week ruled
06:12 divydovy : good show Tom, thanks
06:12 joegarde : thanks Tom – great
06:12 cgarvey : Cheers again Tom!
06:12 ustreamer-14148 : Thanks
06:12 monkchips : that greenwashing will get pulled
06:12 ustreamer-25233 : thankS Tom and thanks James for the tip
06:12 ustreamer-1659 : Thanks Tom….
06:12 paulsavage : good show.
06:12 paulsavage : Adios
06:12 TomRaftery : THanks everyone for a great show
06:13 ustreamer-3567 : ciao
06:13 mikeTheBee : Thanks tom, fully packed show today