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		<title>By: Greenmonk Associates : Chasing AMEE, EdenBee and the Carbon Account</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greenmonk Associates : Chasing AMEE, EdenBee and the Carbon Account</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I realised this morning, having been invited to an interesting new social networking service called EdenBee, that I now basically use AMEE as a yes or no. If someone approaches me with news of something that has a carbon calculator that isn&#8217;t AMEE-based my default is pretty much total lack of interest. Nice related conversation here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I realised this morning, having been invited to an interesting new social networking service called EdenBee, that I now basically use AMEE as a yes or no. If someone approaches me with news of something that has a carbon calculator that isn&#8217;t AMEE-based my default is pretty much total lack of interest. Nice related conversation here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Greenmonk Associates : Online Sustainability Reporting: Brick Walls Behind Open Doors? Edging towards CSR 2.0</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greenmonk Associates : Online Sustainability Reporting: Brick Walls Behind Open Doors? Edging towards CSR 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] After all-there are already a surfeit of such calculators out there. Carbon calculators are table stakes not [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] After all-there are already a surfeit of such calculators out there. Carbon calculators are table stakes not [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Greenmonk Associates : Introducing AMEE, the avoiding mass extinction engine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greenmonk Associates : Introducing AMEE, the avoiding mass extinction engine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] be strip mined. What&#8217;s not to like?Â Certainly it would make a great deal of sense if competing Carbon Calculators out there used the service rather than build their own models and databases. I wrote up AMEE in a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] be strip mined. What&#8217;s not to like?Â Certainly it would make a great deal of sense if competing Carbon Calculators out there used the service rather than build their own models and databases. I wrote up AMEE in a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Governor&#8217;s Monkchips &#187; On Redmonk&#8217;s Carbon Footprint</title>
		<link>http://greenmonk.net/carbon-calculators-top-down-or-bottom-up/comment-page-1/#comment-182</link>
		<dc:creator>James Governor&#8217;s Monkchips &#187; On Redmonk&#8217;s Carbon Footprint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (note that Google, eBay and so on are all facetime campuses). I should probably use one of the many carbon calculators and come back with a more measured response. Suffice to say we&#8217;re thinking about the issue, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (note that Google, eBay and so on are all facetime campuses). I should probably use one of the many carbon calculators and come back with a more measured response. Suffice to say we&#8217;re thinking about the issue, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Greenmonk Associates : Yacc, Yacc, Yacc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greenmonk Associates : Yacc, Yacc, Yacc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] discussion about offset calculators on an earlier post&#8230;   Posted by monkchips on Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 6:24 pm, and filed under Uncategorized. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] discussion about offset calculators on an earlier post&#8230;   Posted by monkchips on Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 6:24 pm, and filed under Uncategorized. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Simpson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to have started such a great debate, and really pleased Zac found this too. Sorry for tardyness in replying - I have been without the internet since Wednesday.

Interesting to see that DB do the system you mention Rolf, I didn&#039;t know that - I believe that the National Express Group are either about to, or have just launched something very similar in the UK. It will be interesting to see how everything shakes out in this area in the next couple of years. I tend to agree with Zac in that although I think most people now &#039;get&#039; climate change, and understand how much of what they do makes an impact, they want to be able to help themselves - and that being dictated to, &#039;put on cabron diets&#039; or given &#039;carbon allowances&#039; is likely to be met with much unpopularity, and perhaps even prove counter productive. That&#039;s what struck me about being so nice about CarbonHero - I could see someone like my dad &#039;getting&#039; it, and becoming quite obsessed with it, in a way which didn&#039;t intrude into his life in a &#039;big brother&#039; style, but made him think about jumping into the car to drive a mile down the road to the paper shop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to have started such a great debate, and really pleased Zac found this too. Sorry for tardyness in replying &#8211; I have been without the internet since Wednesday.</p>
<p>Interesting to see that DB do the system you mention Rolf, I didn&#8217;t know that &#8211; I believe that the National Express Group are either about to, or have just launched something very similar in the UK. It will be interesting to see how everything shakes out in this area in the next couple of years. I tend to agree with Zac in that although I think most people now &#8216;get&#8217; climate change, and understand how much of what they do makes an impact, they want to be able to help themselves &#8211; and that being dictated to, &#8216;put on cabron diets&#8217; or given &#8216;carbon allowances&#8217; is likely to be met with much unpopularity, and perhaps even prove counter productive. That&#8217;s what struck me about being so nice about CarbonHero &#8211; I could see someone like my dad &#8216;getting&#8217; it, and becoming quite obsessed with it, in a way which didn&#8217;t intrude into his life in a &#8216;big brother&#8217; style, but made him think about jumping into the car to drive a mile down the road to the paper shop.</p>
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		<title>By: monkchips</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkchips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 12:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Rolf the interrail thing is great fun. i travelled through europe at 16 and 18. Good point on cars - they usually carry one person.

At Andreas, lets stay in touch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Rolf the interrail thing is great fun. i travelled through europe at 16 and 18. Good point on cars &#8211; they usually carry one person.</p>
<p>At Andreas, lets stay in touch.</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas Zachariah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andreas Zachariah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 10:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,sorry...first time I&#039;ve done this...Didn&#039;t realise it would take up so much space!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,sorry&#8230;first time I&#8217;ve done this&#8230;Didn&#8217;t realise it would take up so much space!</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas Zachariah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andreas Zachariah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 10:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all, especially Joe for spotting Carbon Hero. Its really nice to see it being flagged(green?) in tandem with a argument. It was exactly my frustration with online carbon calculator that got my two cells all excited and busy.

 First off I&#039;m a very firm believer in &quot;every little helps&quot;. Lots of little differences can soon add up to a big difference. Remember Richard Pryor in Superman III, creaming of fractions of cents into millions. Despite the comedy example, I think its a serious proposition.
 Secondly my research has shown that people tend not to like being told too much what to do, they like to find (re)solutions themselves(its much more satisfying), even if they dont realise there being guided. Sounds like a certain way of handling sexual sterotypes ;))
Anyhow... thirdly using an example of a concerned motivated environmentalist, I sought to try and get a quantity and quality of data that could be likened to them keeping a diary of their every movement(literally-how did i travel).
And then I sought to use a platform as large as I could find to facilitate this service.

So, CarbonHero calculates your carbon footprint based on your travel choices. The flash widget(the sensor) is in fact detecting the users speed and location and bluetooths it to your mobile(the brains). This then through the already designed and working software, uses algorithms and a special database to try and figure out what mode of transport you might have just used. The mobile also doubles as my User Interface and communicates a range of values and graphics as you go about your business. Not only that you can compare today with yesterday, last week, even the month. Even your efficiency is given, i.e. miles/carbon kg.

So unless you dont own a mobile and dont leave your house with a set of keys, CarbonHero should pretty much work. Even if you dont have a mobile, a stand alone device could easily be developed.

It&#039;ll even know if you&#039;ve taken a plane(as well as the bus, tube, train, car and walking). And as a keen cyclist my hardest part was the pattern recognition of a cyclist vs. car vs. walking, but that too has been resolved for now. Currently optimising the software further and looking for sponsorship and right partners to bring to market. FoE and RSA already expressed big interest.

The response at the show from general public and pros was nothing short of life enhancing.

Thanks Rolf for the spot with DB system, shame they&#039;re on strike...radical way of cutting down on emissions no doubt! Do they really think they can get 30%pay hikes?!

Looking forward to your comments ;)

PS.Love this site and movementdesign too...big respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all, especially Joe for spotting Carbon Hero. Its really nice to see it being flagged(green?) in tandem with a argument. It was exactly my frustration with online carbon calculator that got my two cells all excited and busy.</p>
<p> First off I&#8217;m a very firm believer in &#8220;every little helps&#8221;. Lots of little differences can soon add up to a big difference. Remember Richard Pryor in Superman III, creaming of fractions of cents into millions. Despite the comedy example, I think its a serious proposition.<br />
 Secondly my research has shown that people tend not to like being told too much what to do, they like to find (re)solutions themselves(its much more satisfying), even if they dont realise there being guided. Sounds like a certain way of handling sexual sterotypes <img src='http://greenmonk.net/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> )<br />
Anyhow&#8230; thirdly using an example of a concerned motivated environmentalist, I sought to try and get a quantity and quality of data that could be likened to them keeping a diary of their every movement(literally-how did i travel).<br />
And then I sought to use a platform as large as I could find to facilitate this service.</p>
<p>So, CarbonHero calculates your carbon footprint based on your travel choices. The flash widget(the sensor) is in fact detecting the users speed and location and bluetooths it to your mobile(the brains). This then through the already designed and working software, uses algorithms and a special database to try and figure out what mode of transport you might have just used. The mobile also doubles as my User Interface and communicates a range of values and graphics as you go about your business. Not only that you can compare today with yesterday, last week, even the month. Even your efficiency is given, i.e. miles/carbon kg.</p>
<p>So unless you dont own a mobile and dont leave your house with a set of keys, CarbonHero should pretty much work. Even if you dont have a mobile, a stand alone device could easily be developed.</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll even know if you&#8217;ve taken a plane(as well as the bus, tube, train, car and walking). And as a keen cyclist my hardest part was the pattern recognition of a cyclist vs. car vs. walking, but that too has been resolved for now. Currently optimising the software further and looking for sponsorship and right partners to bring to market. FoE and RSA already expressed big interest.</p>
<p>The response at the show from general public and pros was nothing short of life enhancing.</p>
<p>Thanks Rolf for the spot with DB system, shame they&#8217;re on strike&#8230;radical way of cutting down on emissions no doubt! Do they really think they can get 30%pay hikes?!</p>
<p>Looking forward to your comments <img src='http://greenmonk.net/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>PS.Love this site and movementdesign too&#8230;big respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Rolf Kersten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rolf Kersten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 16:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James - of course I favour trains, being a train nut since the age of 6 and having toured Britain by train during a long Interrail Summer.
But the Auto lobbyists have a point: If every car would occupied by 4 people and if every car would have a lifetime of multiple million(!) kilometers (not unusual for trains) than the whole eco footprint equation would favour cars. Until then - I&#039;m with the trains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James &#8211; of course I favour trains, being a train nut since the age of 6 and having toured Britain by train during a long Interrail Summer.<br />
But the Auto lobbyists have a point: If every car would occupied by 4 people and if every car would have a lifetime of multiple million(!) kilometers (not unusual for trains) than the whole eco footprint equation would favour cars. Until then &#8211; I&#8217;m with the trains.</p>
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